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I see where you are coming from Toe-Knee.

Some of the uninvited contributions from the Bush fans have been quite startling in their childishness. So much so that I assumed they were coming from folk old enough to type by not old enough to drive a car. Further contributions have made me reconsider that theory so now I put it down to taking time to adjust to reality.

It's very tempting to re-use their brainless catch phrases like "Love it or Leave it" but where is the educational value in that. There is enough mindless stuff out there already.

I thought some folk might try to defend the Bush behavior from a view point I hadn't considered but abuse was the best on offer.

Eventually folk will get over their disappointment but they sure are taking their time.

By the way if they regard you as a pinko then I must be shocking pink and I'm not sure where that leaves the hard line nutters way Left of me.

Here is a more pinkish view for starters.

I'll take UN control over US intervention any day. It's ponderous and slow to kick start but at least they don't think a Hearts and Minds campaign can be delivered from the belly of a bomber. That's not to say I don't think the UN needs a serious rationalization but that is for a future blog of some size. (Well it needs a lot of work). ;-)
The problem I have with the UN is that they're trying for a global police force. They're already trying to dictate global laws. That's just centralizing governance even more. If you centralize a currency you make a smaller group of people control all the money, if you centralize a police force you make a smaller group of people control the physical power. When either of these forces get so powerful that a combined effort of everyone else cannot stand against them then you have global domination, and at that point all is lost.
The best you can claim about UN power is that it is advisory and the idea that a collective bunch of pollies could ever control the world across cultural boundaries is highly optimistic. The EEC is a good example of how hard it is to manage and that's across reasonably similar cultures.

There is a much easier argument to mount about it being totally ineffective.

I prefer to see the policing done by the UN Security council but without it being manned by the Countries with the biggest arms industries. It seems too much like a cash cow in its current form.

Leadership of forces should be managed by countries not regarded as the "bad guys" by the locals. So in Iraq, no western power should provide the Generals. And no religiously identified leader should control the troops.

To top it all off I'd move the UN headquarters out of the States to somewhere less identified with US influence. That leaves Australia out of the frame but New Zealand would fit the bill. (If they would allow it). Or perhaps some idyllic island retreat.

This is no reflection on US capacity. No one is stronger. But some folk regard the UN as part of the US system and that is a bad thing. It has appear better than arms length away to weaken the arguments for those standing against world community wishes.

The slowness of a UN reaction is a problem but sometimes it's better to be late on the scene than rushing in bombing the crap out of a place and building up resistance.

I agree that UN peacekeepers in Iraq would be far better than the US occupation. Ultimately I'm fine with the UN as long as it maintains a peacekeeping stance and only sends in troops at the request of the host country. As soon as they move beyond that I'm going to start having issues. Thankfully they have not yet gone down that road but there have been murmurings that something like this might be in the works.


I can't see them getting organised enough to get that adventurous. Have you ever seen the British program Yes Minister?

I have the full series on DVD plus Yes Prime Minister. It points out how the Westminster system operates. The Us and Them is not the political parties it's pollies versus Bureaucrats.

A classic series that apparently Maggie Thatcher ordered her Ministers to watch. Now although that is going back a few years, I think it is still valid this day. Things move ever so slowly in the system.

There are a couple of classic statements that I must blog about one day. If fact I think there is enough to do a individual blog on different episodes.

On reflection I think we tend to view the UN from the position of how our local politics operates when it's a different from them all.
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Undermining the Constitution has not - in my experience - ever been good.

hey Toe-Knee - excellent post - and i agree with you 100 - unfortunately, my parents have turned into those screaming four-year-olds:( - which is why i'm so pleased to have an ocean and several plane flights between us at all times

I believe there ought to be a Constitutional Amendment barring astroturf and the designated hitter...

Sorry. I just could not help myself with that.

As someone who used to work at the UN, I can assure you that even if they were trying to become a global police force, and they are not, they would never be able to do it. One of the double edged swords of the UN is that each peacekeeping mission is set up from scratch (Romeo Dallaire's book on his experiences in Rwanda gives you a good idea of what the process is like). My problem with your stance is that what would you suggest if the country in question is murdering its own people? My brain went to Rwanda but that isn't the best example as the government claimed they wanted the UN while they were actually terrified that someone would care enough to go in. Maybe the Sudan is a better example.

As for the rest, I am a liberal Dem and always have been, reasonable people should be able to discuss topics about which they do not agree in a reasonable manner. Most of the conservatives I know right now say they feel that way but as soon as they are pressed they tell me how Obama is killing our freedoms (none has been able to explain how, just that HE IS!!!). I think it is sad but I probably won't lose sleep over it.

Thanks for the comment and I am reassured. The problem with going in uninvited when a nation is murdering it's own people is which genocidal nations are okay to step in on and which aren't? Is Rwanda a good one to intervene at but not China? No one knows how many Tibetans have perished in the riots but it's more than a dozen. I'm just saying being the one who decides when to intervene is a slippery slope, one that I wouldn't be comfortable going down.
The chances are much better that the world will not allow the UN to go in to places in the way you suggest. There just isn't the political will nor is there is the organizational ability to push through such a thing.

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